Exclusive Interview
Produced by: Rudy Manager
Edited by: Rudy Manager & Andrej Aroch
Ant Clemons - Grammy-Nominated Artist and Songwriter Behind Records for Kanye West, SZA, Beyoncé and Ed Sheeran
We caught up with Ant Clemons while the Studio Talks team was in LA on April 16, following our first conversation with him last year. Ant invited us to Laboratory Studios in Burbank, where he regularly works, and we had the chance to get a glimpse of him in his element as he was finishing a demo song with his collaborator Tyree Hawkins before we dove into the interview. It was a great experience seeing a master at work. Ant Clemons is a Grammy-nominated artist and one of the best songwriters in the industry, having worked with artists such as Kanye West, SZA, Beyoncé, Ed Sheeran, and many others. In our conversation, we covered his new EP, some of his recent placements, his creative process, and what’s next for him.
"A good artist is somebody of their time. A great artist is somebody who transcends time. Striving for greatness is something I try to do with my artistry."
- Ant Clemons
How have you been since we last spoke for our first interview last October?
I’ve been really good. Thank you so much for asking. It’s been amazing since October. I’ve been blessed to be part of some phenomenal records, including BTS’s number one album, which has been number one for the last three weeks. But yeah, I’ve been good. I can’t complain at all.
Do you remember the first song you ever wrote?
Yes, it was a rap song. I won’t recite it, but it was horrible. It was about my name, and it was hilarious. I must’ve been about 10 or 11 years old.

How do you usually approach the creative process when you first get to the studio? How do you come up with the concept, and do you usually start with melodies before building the lyrics around them?
Amazing question. By the grace of God, this is actually James Fauntleroy’s studio. It’s called Laboratory, and he lets me work out of the B room whenever I want. I’m here pretty much five days a week. My process is coming in as early as possible. I try to get in during the afternoon, and today I started a little later, but I like to get in early and get out early. I love the Nashville style of songwriting, so I try to get in as early as possible.
I’m always watching Michael Jackson videos on my iPad just to be inspired. I’ll watch Moonwalker or Thriller or something that puts me back in the mindset of being nine years old, chilling in my bedroom at home. From there, after the mood is set, I start with chords. Either chords or drums, but most of the time recently, I’ve been starting with chords. It really depends on where the inspiration starts. I’ve been producing a lot, so sometimes it’s drums first and then chords, or chords first and then drums.
Once I have a foundation to start from, I begin humming melodies. But my goal is to figure out the story I’m trying to tell, because I love telling stories. Once I figure out the concept and where I’m going, that kind of dictates where the melodies should go. The music sets the bed, but the concept tells you what you can do to pull the right emotion out of it. Even while making the beat, I look for the right place in the music to place the why, so I know, okay, this moment right here is the most important part of the song for me. It’s the climactic part, or the payoff of what the song is really about.
In your opinion, what makes a great R&B hook?
In my opinion, R&B, at its core, is about love songs. So a great R&B hook is centered on love, whether it’s about heartbreak or finding love. It has to involve amazing storytelling, love, phenomenal backgrounds, and lush vocal stacks.
Brandy and James Fauntleroy are two of my favorite singers of all time, and the way they layer their harmonies in the background vocals is necessary for any R&B song. Kehlani is having one of the best moments in the world right now, and if you strip down the songs, her vocal stacks are some of the greatest in the entire world. So a great R&B hook needs love at its core and phenomenal vocal stacks.

Is there a record that stands out to you where, while making it, you knew immediately it was going to be special?
The one that stood out initially was H.E.R.’s “Damage,” but I’ll give you two. H.E.R.’s “Damage” felt extremely special when we did it. We did it extremely fast. H.E.R., Tiara Thomas, and I wrote it, and Cardiak made the beat. The song happened in about 15 minutes. It was so fast because once we knew where we wanted to go, we were all just bouncing ideas off each other, and it came together extremely quickly.
The other one is “IN YOUR EYES” with Snoh Aalegra. I did that with The Neptunes, and it was so cool being with Snoh, Pharrell, and Chad. We were nerding out over Michael Jackson and having a moment of just loving how inspired and influenced we were by him. We were trying to do whatever we could to add to the music and honor his legacy.
Actually, today I was on Instagram and saw some of the cast from the Michael movie doing the “IN YOUR EYES” challenge. That was a super full circle moment. We weren’t trying to be just like Michael, but we were trying to make Michael proud. To see some of the cast dancing to the song that we did is just the greatest feeling in the world. God is the greatest.
You recently released 4Play II. What was the vision behind this EP, and how did it all come together?
My vision behind 4Play II was honestly just to keep feeding the fans. I had an amazing conversation with my boys Rory and Mal, and Mal actually said on his podcast, “Yo, the first 4Play was dope. You should just keep doing this.” I was like, that’s a cool little thing, almost like a series I can give my fans and keep them coming back.
So right before I drop a major project or right before I’m getting ready to do something else, it’s like, here’s a set of four songs. 4Play is just four amazing love songs.
In your opinion, what makes an artist great? What separates a good artist from a great artist?
I honestly think the difference between a good artist and a great artist is perspective. A good artist is somebody of their time. A great artist is somebody who transcends time. Striving for greatness is something I try to do with my artistry.
I wish there was a clear answer, but I think the difference between a good artist and a great artist is the work they put in and the love they have for the craft.

You also worked on BTS’s “One More Night.” Can you share how that record came together?
Thank you so much, brother. This song came together as one of a bunch of songs I was working on. I think it was January of last year, and I was at a camp with Diplo, some of his amazing producers, and some amazing songwriters. We all got together and were just trying our best to give BTS the greatest music possible.
We’re all fans, and getting the opportunity to work with Diplo is always one of my favorite things to do. The song came together extremely fast. He had a concept before we even started, and we just started throwing out melodies and ideas. One thing led to another, and the song was finished.
What advice would you give to your younger self when you were just starting out, knowing what you know now?
I would tell myself that God doesn’t make mistakes and to stay the course. Even though it doesn’t make sense right now, it will tomorrow.
What plans do you have for the rest of this year, both personally and professionally?
Personally, I’m just trying to get closer to God and be the best man He put me on this earth to be. Professionally, I’m trying to make sure that my fans are always fed. I have so much that I want to share right now, but I’m going to hold off a little bit and say that I did just drop a song yesterday on YouTube. It’s called “Payment Plan,” because we have to pay taxes, and it’s not fun at all.
So yeah, go to YouTube and check out “Payment Plan.” It’s a short film. My guy Abe shot it for me, and it’s incredible. He edited it, and he did a great job. My boy Tyree Hawkins and my boy Justus West produced the song with me, and it was honestly a labor of love. One of my favorite parts of the music video is that I’m wearing these red and white Tabi socks that James Fauntleroy designed. That’s one of my favorite things about the whole video.
Follow Ant Clemons on Instagram: @antclemons
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