Exclusive Interview
Jun 26, 2020
Produced by: Rudy Manager
Edited by: George Sampson & Eethan Bello
Fred Ball - “I was just working nonstop and it is a big commitment, but if you love it, it's great.”
We are excited to share an interview with the incredibly talented Fred Ball. In the interview, Fred talks about his beginnings, musical inspirations and shares details of working with the stars. The audio-visual content was made possible, thanks to the team at Reload., who produced, shot and edited the video. The interview was conducted by George Sampson.
Fredrik William Ball is a Norwegian, Grammy-nominated, multi-platinum selling record producer and incredibly talented songwriter, living in London. Over his successful music career, Fred Ball has worked on projects for artists like Rihanna, Jay-Z, Beyoncé and Eminem to name a few. He has recently ventured into setting up his record label; Ballroom Music. A joint venture with Roc Nation.
On a brisk March morning, the Studio Talks team alongside Reload. went to North West London to interview Fred Ball in his beautiful home studio, where he spends his time creating music in comfort.
"I went to the local music shop and bought a sampler and didn't tell my parents."
Fred Ball
What music were you listening to as a child when you were growing up in Fredrikstad, Norway?
I think the first thing I started listening to was Kiss, the band, but that was probably more because of what they looked like than the music. I think most people were more into the image of them than the actual music. My first love for music was Prince and Michael Jackson. It was my oldest sister that passed on some records and I completely fell in love with it and I loved it ever since. It’s been sort of a red thread through all the stuff I’ve done.
Did you pick up an instrument early after?
We had a piano in the living room, I just gravitated to it and started playing on my own and then I had some lessons when I was a bit older, like early teens. A neighbour of mine gave me an old Atari 1040 and the funny thing with that computer, I mean generally it was a rubbish computer, but it came with a MIDI interface, it was built in. So, I got a copy of Cubase and I started sequencing in the basement.
At what age?
I don't know, 13, 14. It was a very basic black and white screen and I sat there... I inherited some money that I was meant to spend wisely when I was 18, it was put into a locked bank account. I think it was three or four thousand pounds and that felt like millions when you were a kid. I remember going to the bank one day and asking if I could take the money out and had my passport with me, I think I was 14, and they just handed me the money... So, I went to the local music shop and bought a sampler and did not tell my parents, I hid it under the bed.
What sampler was it?
It was an Ensoniq EPS 16 Plus. Which is a bit of a classic. I still got it.
How was the music scene in Fredrikstad?
There was a bit of a scene and I played in a few bands. I got kicked out of the first band I was in.
What happened?
I think they based their band on Metallica and they were like; Metallica didn’t have a keyboard player, so we don't need one. But I didn’t like Metallica anyway, so it was fine.
What sort of music were you into?
I got more and more pseudo-intellectual the older I got in my teens and I remember sitting in my basement, I was smoking a pipe at this point, I was like 15 or something, listening to a lot of jazz music and a lot of Bitches Brew and Miles Davis. A lot of prog-rock; King Crimson, Van der Graaf Generator, early Genesis, things like that. I definitely had a prog phase and I played in a local prog band. We normally went on stage and did shows and played only one or two songs in an hour or so because our songs were so long.
Where was the transition from listening to jazz and prog rock to then releasing the first Pleasure album, which features a lot of electronic influences?
That's basically when I moved to London when I was 20 or 21. I started again [by] sitting in my bedroom making music in the evenings, I had a day job and I was just making music. I came up with this idea that I wanted to make this sort of post-modern pop where I used different singers. Not trying to say that I was ahead of my time, but at that time the 'featured singer' thing wasn't the done thing. I remember I had to explain it over and over again when people said, "Who is the artist?" Well, I am the artist. "But who is singing?" Well, I’m not singing, someone else is singing... It just didn't make sense to a lot of people, but now it is the most normal thing. That’s how that started, and it was kind of my love for pop music and like I said my early influences.
(Fred Ball’s album Pleasure)
Who were your musical inspirations then?
I was really into the whole French scene. A lot of people thought I was French at the time because I was really into Daft Punk and when Discovery came out, it blew my mind. It just didn't sound like anything else. I loved Phoenix and the whole Ed Banger thing came a bit after, but I was really into the whole scene and got to know a lot of those people as well.
What were your studio arrangements at that time?
Before the first album it was my bedroom in Kensal Rise and then I got a studio at Scrubs Lane. I had a room there for a couple of years, and then I had a studio in Buspace in Kensal Road. I moved around in West London, I've had a few studios, and now I’ve got this garden studio.
Where did the hip-hop inspiration creep in then?
I guess I’ve always been into hip-hop, especially the production. I always [felt] Dr. Dre, Pharrell, all of [them] have inspired me in terms of the sonics, and also songwriting and arrangement. I guess the early 2000s I got really into R&B and hip-hop and all those things as well which has sort of inspired the Pleasure 2 album I would say.
(Fred Ball’s album Pleasure 2)
Did you like to use live instrumentation? A lot of your productions seem to be leaning towards that newer wave of hip-hop integrating more of these elements.
I did a bit of both, I always liked to mix electronics and live instruments together. I'll sample real drums, but I like using both elements. I think when it's too much of one thing, I'll get bored. That is just something that has come naturally to me. I also like minimal arrangements like a lot of the hip-hop productions where there are like four or five elements, but you have to pick those elements and make them sound great.
Obviously, sampling is huge in hip-hop, but where's the line drawn with influences?
I think creating art - if it's painting, music, or whatever that art is - you will always take influences. I think it is a bit of a myth to say that you're sitting in a dark room and trying to block out the outside world, just creating something from nothing. There will always be influences inside you, what you grew up listening to, what you had for breakfast that day, anything will affect what you’re creating.
What have you noticed has changed in hip-hop over the years and where do you think it is going?
I don't know, I always think you can get really interesting blends of music when there are things that are crossing over. If it was Michael Jackson using Eddie Van Halen on the guitar, that was like him being an R&B artist at the time because he was considered a black artist. Then when Thriller came out, it was that point where it completely crossed over and on ‘Beat it’ he was using Eddie Van Halen and he created this rock track. I always think that those kinds of moments are the magical moments in music, and in arts in general, where you have these different influences that are crossing over. I think that’s happening with hip-hop as well, which is interesting.
What do you feel about the cross over of hip-hop becoming a pop culture itself?
I think it is such a huge influence on culture now, on fashion, on music, which is really interesting, and it is great. It’s hard to forecast what’s going to happen, but it has been mainstream for a long time. The first rap hit was like 40 years ago, ‘Rapper's Delight’ and funnily enough that was a break for a Chic record – ‘Good Times’. I was with Nile Rodgers a couple of weeks ago and he was telling me that at that time, hip-hop was spoken words in clubs done over disco drum breaks and that was it. It was a DJ with two records looping a drum break and you would have people coming up on stage, improvising. Then when ‘Rapper's Delight’ came out, they used the drum break without clearing it, so that’s probably the first sample clearing case ever.
You've worked with some of the greats… How was it working with Jay-Z?
It was amazing, an absolute dream come true working with him, and he is a force in the studio, a complete inspiration. That was a good week in the office.
(Fred Ball co-produced ‘713’, ‘Friends’ and ‘Heard About Us’ songs from The Carters' album Everything Is Love)
How do you walk into a situation when you’re working with an artist of huge calibre?
You just have to do your best. I know that sounds like the obvious answer, but even if you are going to work with someone that's a big influence on you, of course, it can be nerve-racking, but when you’re there in front of the speakers… You’re on the same playing field in a weird way, you sort of forget who they are.
How much planning goes beforehand, do you discuss a theme?
That all vary, but most of the time you start from scratch. I always prepare ideas, but in those kinds of sessions, a lot of times you start from scratch which can be nerve-racking, but almost in a good way. I think there’s a certain element of danger and everyone’s slightly nervous like, “Ah shit, how the fuck do we do this again?" Which I think is a good thing. It’s good not to have a formula or be too stuck in a way of doing it.
How do collaborations come about with someone like Rihanna?
Fred: That song I did for her was a song I wrote with a random guy I met in LA one day, and then they heard it and took the song. She changed a few things, but she really wasn’t that involved in the writing process of it.
(Fred Ball co-wrote and co-produced 'Love on the Brain' by Rihanna)
Could you speak about your project Ballroom?
I've signed an artist called Harloe. I met her in LA maybe a year ago. She was a writer and she just really impressed me. I thought that she was musically just off the scale and [had an] amazing voice, great writer. I invited her to come to London and we spent a week here trying to see if there was some sort of avenue we could find, an artistic direction… Which, I think we found, and I was excited about that! I played it to my manager Jay Brown at Roc Nation and I said, “I found this girl and just wanted to see what he thought.” He loved the music and suggested that we sign her, well, actually he said, "You should sign her." I’m like, "Sign her to what? What does that mean?" And he replied, "To the label we’re going to set up.” So, we set up a record label. It's a joint venture with Roc Nation, it's called Ballroom. Harloe is the first signing. [Her EP came out on the 13th of March, 2020]
(Fred Ball co-wrote and produced the Rivers Run Dry by Harloe)
What’s your opinion on the accessibility of making music these days, or even films?
It’s really interesting because I think music-making, and like you said filmmaking, is so much more democratic now. It used to be like an 'elite' sport almost, you needed to have a lot of money to make a record and you had to go to the studio. You would have to go to Abbey Road and there would be people with clipboards and white coats, it was a science and it cost a fortune. Now people can make records or albums in their bedrooms and I think it’s only a good thing. Yes, the downside is that there’s a lot of noise, so there’s a lot of navigation you have to do. There are so many songs that get released every week.
Do you feel that, because of this, there’s a lot more unthoughtful work?
There is a lot more music generally, but you just need to be good at navigating. I don't necessarily know what I like, but I know when I hear it, I gravitate to those things that sound different and things that have some sort of originality.
What advice would you give to upcoming music producers?
I guess the obvious thing is just to put in the hours, work LOADS. That’s what I did, I just got obsessed with music. I guess my social life wasn’t very active at that point, and it still isn't. But I was just working nonstop and it is a big commitment, but if you love it, it's great. I think listening to your gut is a really good thing. It took me a bit of time to learn that because I think I was chasing my tail for a bit when I was younger and just thinking that I was making music that I thought people would like and for me, it didn't work at all, I was really bad at it. I was like, "Ooh, this sounds like humans would like this song," but it didn’t work at all. It tended to be the songs that I fell in love with that I was excited about would also get a good reaction with other people. When I realised that I was like, "Oh, thank, fuck, it's like this and not the other way around!" That was a bit of a eureka moment for me, that was good.
Follow Fred Ball on Instagram: @mrfredball
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