Backstage Interview
Dec 4, 2024
Interviewer: Tadeas Janos
Edited by: Rudy Manager
Songer - "I’m going to keep pushing to be the best and the biggest I can be"
In this backstage interview, we sit down with the incredibly talented Songer ahead of his highly anticipated show at Amsterdam's iconic Melkweg. Known for his raw honesty and captivating sound, Songer reflects on his journey through music, the challenges and triumphs of touring, and the artists who inspire him. With his unique blend of grime, R&B, and personal storytelling, Songer has built a dedicated fan base that spans the globe. As he continues to push boundaries and strive for greatness, we get a glimpse into his vision for the future and the music that drives him. The interview was conducted by Tadeas Janos at Melkweg on November 9th, 2024.
What do you think has been the biggest influence on your music? Is there a specific artist or sound that stands out?
To be honest, I don't think there’s just one specific influence. I’d say it’s more like a mix—a cocktail of different genres, and people. I grew up listening to a lot of different genres. Early on, there was a big grime influence, like through SBTV, JDZmedia, P110, and other companies like that. They inspired me to think, I’m going to write some bars—I can do this.
But musically, the inspiration could go as far as artists like Alicia Keys or Amy Winehouse. Not that I’d compare myself to them, but sonically, they’re the types of songs I love to listen to. That’s the kind of music I hope to create.
Can you tell us where you draw the line between being personal and being artistic?
That’s a good question, and it can be tough. I’ve definitely crossed the line a few times, but those songs often end up being the ones I’m most proud of—and the ones people seem to connect with the most. I always try to be as honest as I can, but sometimes I look back and think, Maybe I should have kept that one to myself. But that’s just how I work; it’s how I write.
When it comes to telling my story, all I can really draw from is what’s happening in my life. Sure, I could talk about touring and success, but everyone does that. No one else can tell my story better than I can.
How do you balance being meaningful with appealing to a broader audience? Do you think artists need to do that?
Yeah, I think it definitely helps. Some topics are hard to discuss, even with your closest friends. Those conversations might only happen after six beers. But with music, especially now that I’m farther along and meeting so many people at shows, there’s a level of trust between us. They trust me, and I trust them.
It’s not entirely anonymous, but since it’s outside of my direct circle, it feels like a safe space to open up. People can just absorb what I’m saying, and it creates a kind of comfort zone. I like playing that role for others because it helps them feel less alone, and it helps me too.
What’s the most memorable fan interaction you’ve had so far?
We’ve done all kinds of shows, and it’s been busy. I’m not sure exactly how many tours it’s been, but we’ve done quite a few. I’ve met so many amazing people. Just yesterday, for example, there was someone who traveled all the way from Australia to Paris just to see the show. Absolute legend!
Moments like that—when people go out of their way to show up—make everything feel real. It turns the experience into something tangible, where I can actually see the impact. Meeting fans in person is the best part because instead of just looking at numbers, I’m seeing faces, and that makes everything real.
Thinking about your life in the studio compared to being on stage, it seems like performing live really validates all the work you put in during the studio process. How do you feel about that?
I mean, you’re absolutely right. It’s a hundred percent true. In the studio, it’s 99% just me and my engineer, who’s also my DJ on tour and produces a lot of the records. So it’s just as exciting for him to see the songs come to life on stage.
Most of the time, it’s just the two of us in a room with no windows, layering tracks and recording. I love that process—I’ll even listen to the tracks on the way home, already thinking about how the album will come together and what I’ll do with each song.
When I perform; it’s incredible to see people’s reactions. You might notice someone in the third row screaming a specific lyric, one that I’m especially proud of. I love that. It’s amazing to see which parts resonate with people. It’s such a cool process to watch unfold.
What’s next for you after this tour?
After the tour wraps up, we’ll head home, probably hit the sauna to sweat it all out of our system, and then it’s back to making music.
I’m at a point now where I’ve done five projects, and I believe this next one will be my best by far. I want it to be undeniable—I want to chart, and I’m aiming for number one. So it’ll be all about planning the rollout and doing everything to make it happen.
It’s not just about success for me. It’s more that I want to have that one album where I can say, Yes, this is an absolute classic. That’s all I’m aiming for, and I think this next one could be it.
Do you feel like you get better each time you make a project or have a studio session?
Yeah, in different ways, definitely. In terms of skill, I’m better now because of more experience and practice. As a rapper, I’m more refined in areas like storytelling, timing, leaving spaces, and working with different syllables. Technically, I’m way better now.
But whether that always translates to better music is another thing entirely. It’s really about what makes someone feel something. Some of my favorite songs are ones I made when I was 17, and others are songs I wrote just last week. It depends on the emotion behind it, how I felt while writing, and how it came out.
So, while I’m improving technically, I don’t think it’s just a matter of making better music with more experience. It’s really about the feeling behind each track.
Where do you see your career heading right now?
For me, as long as I’m climbing the stairs and not just walking down a corridor, I’m happy. If each year is moving upwards, that’s what matters. The first lyric from my debut album was, “I think I’m going to be one of the biggest in the world, if not the biggest.” I’ve always believed in speaking things into existence, so I’m still aiming for that.
I’m going to keep pushing to be the best and the biggest I can be. I want to look back and say, I left everything on the pitch. And honestly, I believe that’s where I’m heading—just growing until I’m one of the biggest artists in the world.
If you could collaborate with any artist right now, dead or alive, who would it be?
Amy Winehouse. A hundred percent. I’m glad you asked about dead or alive, because alive, I would have had to think about it a bit harder. I come back to what I was saying earlier about honesty and relatability, and that’s exactly what she had. What’s impressive is how I relate to her music, even though we’re completely different.
Why does her music make me feel the way it does? That’s the magic. And that’s what makes her so incredible. There’s something about the aura of certain artists, the way they write and create music that just resonates with you. Amy Winehouse is the queen of that and, in my opinion, one of the best musicians ever.
If it were an artist who’s still alive, who would it be?
Oh, this is tough. There are so many different genres I could pull from. I’ve always, always, always dreamed of a collaboration with Alicia Keys. But if we’re talking rappers, I’d love to work with J. Cole. It’s a bit of a Christmas list, really! From the rap world, J. Cole would be amazing. And from the dance world, I’d go with Calvin Harris.
What genre of music do you listen to when it’s not rap?
R&B, for sure. The thing with rap is, I’m a huge fan of it—I love rap music, the culture, everything about it. But because it’s what I do, I listen to it almost competitively. I’ll hear something and think, I should’ve done that, or I could’ve done that better. It’s hard to just enjoy it without overanalyzing. But with R&B, I can completely switch off. I’ll put on something like Teyana Taylor and relax.
What’s a song you have on repeat right now that your fans would be surprised to know you love?
I’d say one of the female rappers from the U.S. They are just killing it right now. Sometimes I’ll spin Megan Thee Stallion, or I’ll mess with something like Ice Spice—that kind of vibe. I think they make great music. So yeah, I’d say Megan Thee Stallion.
Follow Songer on Instagram: @5onger
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